Posts by Lady Zombie

i've been stewing on it though and it occurs to me that it's possible that eventually the college education issue can become a df'ing offense in the hands of the right elders.. the gb purposely writes these vague recommendations to the boes that leave r&f jws vulnerable to the individual interpretation of the elders.

a liberal elder might look at it as just a suggestion and the decision would be up to the individual, whereas a hardliner elder may try to witchhunt jws either going to college, or, who have already gone.. i personally know of a few who would take the hardline approach.

Lady Zombie

Sorry for yet another thread about the college issue. I've been stewing on it though and it occurs to me that it's possible that eventually the college education issue can become a DF'ing offense in the hands of the right elders.

The GB purposely writes these vague recommendations to the BOEs that leave R&F JWs vulnerable to the individual interpretation of the elders. A liberal elder might look at it as just a suggestion and the decision would be up to the individual, whereas a hardliner elder may try to witchhunt JWs either going to college, or, who have already gone.

I personally know of a few who would take the hardline approach. These were the ones who came after my father when I graduatated High School and not only didn't pioneer, but instead started college (back in the late '80's). And this was years and years ago when it still was a conscious matter. They couldn't do anything to my dad except badger him but he shrugged them off saying that it was my decision and that since I was paying for my own schooling (which I was), he didn't have too much to say about it. One elder who was particularly obsessed with my college attendence told my dad that since I still lived at home, he should 'demand that I quit college or move out of the house.'

So I got to thinking; if this anti-college thing takes off and hardline elders start witchhunting JWs over either allowing their kids to attend, attending themselves, or 'promoting' college, I can also see them eventually targeting JWs who already have college degrees that were obtained while they were witnesses.

I don't think I'm being paranoid either.

Anyway, I decided that if it ever came to that and they witchhunt me, that issue is what will make me stand up, denounce the bOrg, and ask to be DF'd. I'll probably lose my family. Mom definitely, but dad may still talk to me. Who knows though?

This trend is not necessarily anti-college, it is pro-ignorance and I, for one, am extremely angry about this. I know of several JWs who not only went to college, but are still loyal to the bOrg. I'm not, but then again, that's just me. They know however that the odds are great that once a person becomes educated, they are harder to control. And that's what the bOrg is all about, complete control.

Those crazy old bastards in NY have to know what a stance like this is going to do to their precious organization (a divider). Additionally, they have to have some idea what remaining uneducated in today's society will mean to their loyal adherents. The only followers that will be left will be uneducated people living at or below the poverty line, and of course the new ones coming in from 3rd World countries.

This is such a load of bullcrap that it boggles my mind.

Hey, check this funky picture out! A friend of mine sent it to me, asking was this an illustration from the beginning days of the WT.

Beats me!

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JW's unwritten dress code and personal appearance standards-FROM WHERE?

by Thechickennest in

one thing that always use to puzzle me was the personal appearance standards, espessially for meetings and service.

the men always were expected to where a tie, suit, jacket, etc.

no beards were allowed-mustaches were ok!

Lady Zombie

Every picture illustration of Jesus and the apostles shows them with beards. Even when I was a kid, I wondered why the men never tried to look like Jesus. After all, they're supposed to imitate Jesus in every way.

Some men do better with beards. If they have thick hair, constantly shaving often means painful ingrown facial hair which can become infected at the drop of a hat. Not to mention a constant rash.

My father dresses ultra conservatively but will snazz his outfits up. My favorite one is his navy suit, very light blue shirt with tiny yellow stripes, and yellow tie. Or his charcol grey suit that he wears with a white shirt and dark purplish tie. They actually look good. He never takes his jacket off. Ever. Not even in summertime out in field service. I told mom he's going to pass out one day and have a stroke.

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Your kids are doomed.

by sammielee24 in

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i listened in to the conf call tonight.

one thing that i got from it was that apparently (and the wording might be a little wrong) is that elders or ms will be removed if they are going to college or university.

a person encouraging another to go to college will be removed as well.

Lady Zombie

Wait! I've got it! If you go to college, you'll be DF'd for apostacy. In college you learn anti-biblical teachings. So if you're in college, and have to give a presentation to the class or write a paper, technically you are preaching these unscriptural doctrines. Also, if you earn good grades, that must mean you believe what you're being taught in college. Either way, it's apostacy!

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Your kids are doomed.

by sammielee24 in

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i listened in to the conf call tonight.

one thing that i got from it was that apparently (and the wording might be a little wrong) is that elders or ms will be removed if they are going to college or university.

a person encouraging another to go to college will be removed as well.

Lady Zombie

Yes. This anti-college thing is going to be a part of the WT's undoing. At first it was a conscious matter.

My father had tons of crap heaped on him from some of the elders for allowing me to attend college, but that's all they could do.

But now the whole thing is starting the evolution from conscious matter to forbidden completely. In a sick sort of way, I can see why they're heading that way. Part of the WT's control over people is ignorance and fear. But they've seen what happens when a person becomes educated, they open their eyes and see the WT for what it is.

Also, they're cracking down because nowadays, it's almost impossible to get a decent paying job without a degree so a lot of JWs are wising up and either going to school or allowing their kids to go. This probably means that the bOrg is losing people by the droves. They're strategy is to inch closer to forbidding college, and then telling the R&F to "trust in Jehovah" for their employment.

I would not be surprised if soon the GB announces that attending school beyond HS will be a DFing offense.

What scriptural evidence will they use to justify it I wonder.

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Well, I'm nauseated now. Gag inducing dramatizations at my DC

by Lady Zombie in

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during the hour long symposium: empowered by holy spirit.

under the part "to fight temptation," a little dramatization of a young married man doing some work on his laptop.

he is tapping away when he suddenly slams his laptop shut.

Lady Zombie

Lady Zombie - It is not my intention to highjack your thread, and I mean no disrespect, but I have to say that the word symposium really caught my eye. For me, a true symposium consists of discussion among the participants. It consists of reasoned and rational debate. In a true symposium, the audience members are participant-observers, with an emphasis on the word participant. In a true symposium, the audience members all observe and participate. There is a mutual exchange of ideas and perspectives.

That's what they call it, symposium. They're present at every ASSembly. Usually an hour long talk with an overall theme split up into several segments.

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FW: Very Encouraging !!!?

by moomanchu in

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daddy loves you.

he was just waiting for her to give up the .

Lady Zombie

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Does anyone know the Circuit Overseer Joe Lemming?

by Lady Zombie in

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yes, that's his real name, lemming.

he's lanky and blonde and his wife is blondish too.

i believe they're vegetarians.

Lady Zombie

Yes, that's his real name, Lemming. He's lanky and blonde and his wife is blondish too. I believe they're vegetarians.

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Well, I'm nauseated now. Gag inducing dramatizations at my DC

by Lady Zombie in

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during the hour long symposium: empowered by holy spirit.

under the part "to fight temptation," a little dramatization of a young married man doing some work on his laptop.

he is tapping away when he suddenly slams his laptop shut.

Lady Zombie

During the hour long symposium: Empowered by Holy Spirit

Under the part "To Fight Temptation," a little dramatization of a young married man doing some work on his laptop. He is tapping away when he suddenly slams his laptop shut. He then talks to himself for a few minutes about how shocking it was that a piece of pornography popped up. Then he admits that the model looks good. Maybe it wouldn't hurt to peek just for a few minutes. How really it doesn't say in the bible to not view pornography specifically. Then he asks himself, "what am I doing?!" He then reasons how pornography is not wholesome, and how it does say that if a man looks at a woman with desire, he has already committed adultery with her and how that would be detrimental to his marriage. Blah blah blah. Finally he concludes that he will pray to Jehovah for help in fighting the temptation.

Lesson--pray to Jehovah lest ye view breasts and like it.

Applause.

Under the part "To Resist Harmful Peer Pressure" a little dramatization of a late teenaged guy who is talking to himself about his friend who confided in him of some transgression and then asked him not to tell anyone. So the teenager thinks that he doesn't want to lose his friendship, and how his friend said it wasn't that big of a deal. But.....what his friend did is very questionable and this kind of thing really needs to be brought to the elder's attention. Finally, he decides to turn his friend in even if it means losing the friendship.

Lesson--turn your friends into the elders and break the confidences of friends.

Applause.

Also seen, a dramatization of a family where the father's boss fired him for taking Friday off to go to the convention. Father announces that he's lost his job so that they could "enjoy" all three days of the convention. Oldest daughter pipes up and asks if this means she can't buy a new outfit (), youngest daughter pipes up and asks if she won't be able to go out to eat with her friends (), mother worries how they're going to pay their bills since she and the girls pioneer (of course they do ). The father mentions how a brother might have a job for him and that they should all trust in Jehovah and enjoy the whole three day assembly!

Lesson--get fired and put everyone in a pinch because you can't possibly miss one day of the blessed ASSembly. If you do, you'll suffer spiritually. If you suffer spiritually, you might die in the big A!

Applause.

And as always, we were reminded numerous times to be obedient to the FDS and to do whatever they say without question or murmuring. They reminded us that Jehovah's spirit works through them and although they're imperfect men, they are delivering Jehovah's words and giving us the proper food at the proper time.

Yay.